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at10uk

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Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:22 AM
 
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Since the last Kindle update a few days ago, I find my Kindle is displaying my paragraphs incorrectly. I code in HTML, so I use the normal paragraph tags to denote paragraphs - as you should. This has always resulted in a first line indent, and no line gap between paragraphs. However, since the update I find my paragraphs now have no first line indent, and instead there is a line gap between paragraphs. I've got no CSS styling to do anything like that - it's really clean HTML. Strangely, other people's books seem to display OK.
Does anyone else notice this?

Thanks a lot,

Andrew Thomas.
at10uk

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:45 AM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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Just to add, it looks fine on every Kindle previewer, including the one on the KDP website. It's only on the actual Kindle that it has gone wrong.

Thanks.
punchygonzales

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:51 AM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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What does your coding look like to get indents and no spaces without CSS? And what model Kindle to you have?
at10uk

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 12:31 PM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
 
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Hi, Ive always used the "p" paragraph tags just as recommended:

http://gbenthien.net/Kindle/html_for_kindle.html

This has always (up to now) resulted in text indent and no blank lines. Now that's all changed on my Kindle. Now I get no indent and blank lines.

I have the latest Kindle. It's very strange. I wish they hadn't changed things.
notjohn

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 1:21 PM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
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**Ive always used the "p" paragraph tags just as recommended:**

As you say, the rules seem to have changed. You must now specify the indent, either in CSS

p {
margin-top: 0.0em;
margin-bottom: 0.0em;
text-indent:1.0em
}

or in each paragraph tag: <p style='text-indent:.3in'>
at10uk

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 1:21 PM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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Oh, thanks a lot!

I'll give it a go.

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at10uk

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 1:38 PM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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That's great, thanks.

I can't believe they could make such a fundamental change affecting so many eBooks and not consider it worth mentioning.
divorcedoctor

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 24, 2012 8:19 PM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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That's great, thanks.

I can't believe they could make such a fundamental
change affecting so many eBooks and not consider it
worth mentioning.


not a matter of considering it, but a matter of not losing face by admitting it HAD to be done to make good old kindle we knew and loved morph to the new FireApple. ie Political Correctness.

what they DID was put out a new KISS Guide, this time AS a Kindle book not a pdf and display the new rules but NOT even mention not to use old rules.

but have you noticed something strange re new Guide?
at10uk

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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 1:54 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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Hi, where can I find this new guide? Thanks.

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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 2:54 AM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
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**affecting so many eBooks**

Well, it doesn't affect those already published, though I suppose it would be worthwhile to run our old books through Fire for a speed check.

The Kindle guide is at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007URVZJ6

A more thoroughgoing PDF is at
http://kindlegen.s3.amazonaws.com/AmazonKindlePublishingGuidelines.pdf
at10uk

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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 3:11 AM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
 
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Thanks very much for the links.

Surely the change is with the Kindle, so that will affect books already published? Do I misunderstand how this works?
notjohn

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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 8:53 AM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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No, from my experience I would say that a book once published successfully never changes.

It's probably a good idea to test them out, especially on the Fire, but l have never seen one of my books work one year and not the next, and Amazon regularly changes the Kindle conversion process.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 4:13 PM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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Thanks very much for the links.

Surely the change is with the Kindle, so that will
affect books already published? Do I misunderstand
how this works?


biggest change is KindleGen the conversion engine used to respond to html tags eg center OVER CSS script, but it is now vice-versa to cater for FireApple, so if published under old system it won't change.

the jury is still out on what might happen to certain html files if you make a change to your book and republish - it will eg depend on if you started html from scratch or converted from Word.

The new Kindle Guide is KISS simple and "Microsoft friendly" ie Gates and Bedos seem to have buried the hatchet over the docx issue but it only talks to a para by para basis using styles up top and not GLOBAL styles box on right if there is one in Word2010 nor a style ruler on left, also if there is one.

ie I will still use Word2003 because I generally need to nuke what people send to me for formatting so I need GLOBAL control of the whole file and from what I have seen of Word2010 that facility is not readily discoverable in the WYSIWYG mudpile.
mrlasers

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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 25, 2012 4:45 PM   in response to: at10uk in response to: at10uk
 
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Surely the change is with the Kindle, so that will
affect books already published? Do I misunderstand
how this works?

Kindle Touch was recently updated to support Kindle Format 8 (KF8). Since the release of KF8 newly converted books are contained in a "master mobi" file, which includes two separate versions of the book, one in the older "Mobi7" format and the other in KF8. Books converted before that release will continue to look the same on your Kindle Touch, but books converted after (unless using an old version of KindleGen) will be using an entirely different version of the book. In some cases the differences between the two can be drastic.

One of the most basic differences in these books has to do with the reader software rather than the book itself. Mobi7 readers assume a first line indentation with no spacing between paragraphs, while KF8 readers assume no indentation but do have spacing between. These are of course default settings (<p> without any styling) and can be overridden using CSS.

As notjohn said, it is pretty simple to normalize the styling of your paragraphs between the two. Here's what I use (condensed for space):

p { text-indent:1em; margin:0; }

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MrLasers
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Re: Formatting has changed since last Kindle update
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 3:17 AM   in response to: mrlasers in response to: mrlasers
 
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**unless using an old version of KindleGen**

Aha! A use for KindleGen?

**KF8 readers assume no indentation but do have spacing**

Why, I wonder? Does it have something to do with the Fire's utility as a web browser?

Seems to me that block paragraphs are a step back toward web formatting. E-books are supposed to be books!
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