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notjohn

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Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 1:52 PM
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[i]The result could be unnecessary harassment of some aliens (for instance, a veteran, college student, or someone assisting with a criminal investigation) whom federal officials determine should not be removed.[/i]

If Justice Kennedy can mix up object and subject, so can you!
martitalbott

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 2:04 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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Especially TV commentators and reporters.
notjohn

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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 2:52 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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I insist that my jailer use good grammar!
skookumpete

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 2:54 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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And White House spokespeople:

"The DADT repeal act was signed into law by the President, and certification and implementation will happen whomever serves as Secretary of Defense."
sharidale

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 3:57 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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Did I miss page one of this thread? Where'd it go? Who took it? Is this another Kennedy cover-up?
notjohn

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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 4:36 PM   in response to: skookumpete in response to: skookumpete
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**whomever serves as Secretary of Defense.**

Oh, that is lovely! Eat your heart out, Justice Kennedy!
1001nightspress

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 5:05 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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I like the Dave Barry "Ask Mr. Language Person" guide to when to use "whom":

1) If you're British
2) If you're very angry. "And just whom is going to clean up after these weasels?"

Still, though, those mistakes bother me less than "between you and I." That just sets my teeth on edge.
ignaciodemure

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 5:08 PM   in response to: 1001nightspress in response to: 1001nightspress
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between you and me, nitie, tell what 'beG the question ' means. that's the one that gets me

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1001nightspress

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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 5:35 PM   in response to: ignaciodemure in response to: ignaciodemure
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I'll tell you, but you gotta ask it on your knees.

It's a kind of logical fallacy--something is made redundant in the phrasing. Sorry, I'm not explaining it well. But like a protester's sign that says (and sadly, this is real), "Fags are gay!" Or, "Fatal car crashes can kill you."
ignaciodemure

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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 7:05 PM   in response to: 1001nightspress in response to: 1001nightspress
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when you 'beg' a question, you are avoiding the question - not inviting an answer

what about forte' for-ta? give me a break. gurrr, gurrr
1001nightspress

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 8:59 PM   in response to: ignaciodemure in response to: ignaciodemure
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Depends.

"Grammar is my forte"--it's pronounced like "fort." (Commonly mispronounced, but ... it comes from the French, and there's no é on the end.)

In music--"This passage is played [i]piano[/i] to contrast with the [i]forte[/i]," then pronounced "for-tay." That's Italian. È più forte di me.

Not that your questions are off-topic, or anything. ;)
skookumpete

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 9:21 PM   in response to: ignaciodemure in response to: ignaciodemure
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Re "begs the question":

"There are dozens of grammar sites out there that complain about the use of this phrase in the sense of [i]raises the question[/i]. All I’m going to say about it is that the last public figure to use [i]begs the question[/i] correctly in a sentence was Richard Nixon. Everyone else should just stop saying it."

http://skookumpete.com/stop.htm
1001nightspress

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Re: Everyone needs a proofreader
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 9:36 PM   in response to: skookumpete in response to: skookumpete
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Now, that's a world-class site! ;)

Some good linguists up at York.
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