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fineware

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Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 2:13 PM
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Today has been great... month so far has been good. I'm figuring that today was good because lots of people 'off'' both Thursday and Friday and too hot to go out, to whipped form yesterday's $th of July activities.
tevios

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 2:33 PM   in response to: fineware in response to: fineware
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No but I am glad for you and wish you every success.
I am personally trying to come to terms with the reality of not selling many books. I am trying to see it as more of an altruistic thing but it's not easy. My subject is my autobiography, so I can't expect the same interest perhaps?
rushweig

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 3:05 PM   in response to: fineware in response to: fineware
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Grats to all those who're selling well this month. Summer figures to be a peak time for kindle readers.

As for me, I'm still in the basement with my 197 free units pushed and...wait for it...nothing sold ;)!
fineware

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 3:31 PM   in response to: fineware in response to: fineware
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Three of my sales just went refunded and just about the same time. Probably all by the same person.
writeranne

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 3:42 PM   in response to: rushweig in response to: rushweig
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As for me, I'm still in the basement with my 197 free
units pushed and...wait for it...nothing sold ;)!

And so another author realizes the free promos do nothing but hurt sales. Welcome to the No More Freebies Club. If enough of us stop giving away our work, people will start to buy again like they did before the free promos started.
michaelraytaylor

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 5:32 PM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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You go, Anne. Keep posting that message on every thread where someone mentions the words "free' or "select" or "promotion." If you spread your message far enough, I'll be the only occasional free author on Select, and sell 10,000 the day after a promo, instead of 200-300. And if you chase them all the way off Select entirely, I'll be getting $20,000 per borrow, instead of a measly $2.18.
fineware

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 7:11 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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I think an indication of the future of the KDP Select thing is that borrow payouts have gone up for each of the three months I've been around here... and with the same dollar pool. Obviously,less people borrowing.
muzski

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:39 AM   in response to: fineware in response to: fineware
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I've had a strange start to the month 1st to 4th fantastic, 5th to 7th 3 of my worst days for a long time 8th good, 9th best ever. I can only assume there have been a number of sales stuck in the system and filtered through yesterday, as taking the 9 days my average is pretty consistent with recent sales.
michaelraytaylor

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:50 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:16 AM   in response to: michaelraytaylor in response to: michaelraytaylor
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[i]You go, Anne. Keep posting that message on every thread where someone mentions the words "free' or "select" or "promotion." If you spread your message far enough, I'll be the only occasional free author on Select, and sell 10,000 the day after a promo, instead of 200-300. And if you chase them all the way off Select entirely, I'll be getting $20,000 per borrow, instead of a measly $2.18.[/i]

Actually, what's more likely is that 10,000 people will download your book when it's free because everyone else has wised up that free books are a bad idea, and on the day after your promo you'll sell none because everyone already has your free book. If you have more than one book, and they liked the first, they'll just wait until you run a free promo on the other. Books-takers are patient. They have thousands of other free books in their Kindles to keep them occupied until you get desperate again.

thetimucuan

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 11:41 AM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
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One spammer here spammed his book for days on end while it was free. The last time I looked, it was ranked at 342,000. Whatever boost he got did not last long.
michaelraytaylor

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 1:13 PM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
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I really do get tired of saying the same thing over and over (with three teenagers I get to do that enough at home anyway), but whenever the same misinformation about promos gets repeated, I find myself refuting it: I see a significant (300 or more copies) sales boost in the 2-3 days following every free promo I have scheduled, with the first one (back when the book was an introductory 99 cents) resulting in over 1200 sales in two days. But the success of promos depends heavily on genre--works for some, not for others. See previous threads for why I think this is. And no matter how much you appeal to authors not to participate, until Amazon retools Select (as they will probably do within the next year), you won't stop people from using it, as I explained here:

http://forums.kindledirectpublishing.com/kdpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=265021&#265021
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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 2:04 PM   in response to: michaelraytaylor in response to: michaelraytaylor
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[i]I really do get tired of saying the same thing over and over (with three teenagers I get to do that enough at home anyway), but whenever the same misinformation about promos gets repeated, I find myself refuting it: I see a significant (300 or more copies) sales boost in the 2-3 days following every free promo I have scheduled, with the first one (back when the book was an introductory 99 cents) resulting in over 1200 sales in two days. But the success of promos depends heavily on genre--works for some, not for others. See previous threads for why I think this is. And no matter how much you appeal to authors not to participate, until Amazon retools Select (as they will probably do within the next year), you won't stop people from using it, as I explained here:[/i]

I have no interest in going back and reading one of your former posts, so it's useless to point them out to me. You seem to be laboring under the impression that I should refrain from practicing free speech simply because I'm stating something that disagrees with your opinion. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Yes, you can do whatever you wish to do that does not violate the KDP rules. And I can keep telling people that certain permitted actions, while helpful for selling Kindle devices, are harmful to both themselves and others in the long run. Some people can't see beyond the end of their own nose, and I can't stop you from harming the sales of other authors by continuing to glut the system with free books, just as I can't stop people from jumping off a bridge. The view must be wonderful on the way down, but eventually the trip is going to end badly.
daysoldier

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 2:11 PM   in response to: michaelraytaylor in response to: michaelraytaylor
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Michael, I'm not a "freebies are the doom of indies" person. I tried it myself. My position on this has always been that we simply don't have the required information to know how beneficial/harmful freebies are. We can make assumptions based on our own anecdotal experience and on what we personally think is logical, but that's about it.

That said (and I mean this with absolute respect; you seem to be a reasonable guy), I think - whether intentionally or not - you might be giving an incorrect perception that freebies are more beneficial than they probably are for the majority of authors.

Every time someone posts about an upcoming freebie here, I try to check its rankings a week, then a month after the promo. I don't do this in an attempt to "prove them wrong." I actually hope it works wonderfully for them because that would mean wonderful things for me.

I do it as research, to help me decide whether or not I'm going give it another try, because - honestly - if I see enough evidence that it works, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Every one I've checked (literally, every single one) is in the 100,000 to 200,000 ranking range within a few weeks. For me personally - based purely as a business decision, not a moral one - that makes me think it's just not worth it.

You've had wonderful success with freebies, and that's awesome. But most of what I've seen (which is admittedly limited) suggests you're the anomaly, not the norm. Seriously, the next time you see a freebie offered, check that book's ranking 2 weeks later. It's really surprising how consistently the post-freebie rankings drop to the hundreds of thousands. It surprised me, to be honest.

From what I've personally seen (and experienced myself), the overwhelming majority of freebies posted on this forum end up with little to no extra sales within days.

If you have evidence stronger than my anecdotal little experiments, I'll happily change my position on it.

As it stands, though, I think I'll just do freebies in an environment where I can control how many go out and who gets them.

Please don't think I'm bashing you. I'm not on the anti-freebie team. But I think being extremely casual about freebies can really hurt new authors. If their book needs work, for example, they need a slow-burn approach, so they can fix it based on early feedback. Having 900 people download a free book with too many typos can absolutely devastate a new author's reputation. Possibly beyond repair.

I think the most valuable attribute an author can have is patience, and freebie promotions really work against that idea.

Can freebies help? Sure. That's hard to deny.

Will they make the difference between success or failure? I've seen no evidence of that at all.

Can a cavalier attitude toward freebies hurt a new author? I think so, yes.

Based on that, I just don't see the overwhelming benefit. There are better ways to give away your books. They just take a little more patience and work.

Just my opinion that I fully admit could be wrong.
daysoldier

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Re: Anyone else notice a sales boost
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 2:13 PM   in response to: daysoldier in response to: daysoldier
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On a side note, I really need to learn how to express my opinions in a more concise way.

I'm really damn wordy.
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