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Indies who leave petty reviews – really folks?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:14 AM
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I decided to read some reviews of a few of the more successful Indies who frequent the forum. After dong so, I have several comments to those reviewers, as I suspect some are other Indies who may also frequent this forum.

First, I would personally not leave less than a 3 star on an Indi book. Instead, I would leave no review. Unless I can give an honest 4 or 5 star, I’d keep my public opinion to myself. Plus, if it was less than a 4 star, I wouldn’t waste my time finishing it anyway. That is just me.

But, I understand, everyone has the right to leave an honest review, even a one star. What I don’t understand is why a one star reviewer feels he or she then has the right to accuse the author of faking the four and five star reviews. Really folks?

I haven’t seen that on traditional authors, just on the Indi.

If you want to be a tough guy, I wish you would just leave your stinking one star review on the author’s book, but stop publicly accusing authors of crimes they may be innocent of.

Of course, that is difficult to do, when jealous of that writer’s success.

I found one reviewer who is reading all of one author's books, and leaving one stars on all the books, and saying how poorly written they are. Who in the heck keeps reading books of an author they dislike unless they have an axe to grind?

Okay, offa my soapbox…and back to work. I have a book to edit and send to the next beta reader.

Bobbi
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Re: Indies who leave petty reviews – really folks?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:26 AM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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Oh Bobbi, don't leave me hanging like this! My inner nosey neighbor is crying out to know whose books and who was reviewing!

That said, I agree 100%. While I personally would not leave a 1-3 star review on a book by an indy or by someone I know, some people are so attracted to the idea of their right to do so that they fail to see what that does to future sales of the book. Well, I guess they don't fail to see it, but they feel that their right to voice their opinion and their superior intellect requires that they combined mean they are required to protect other readers and squalsh writers who are not up to par. I think they think they are performing a service to the greater good of the world.

I think they are being meanies.

sigh

My books which have been pretty well recieved on Amazon have a passel of negative reviews on Goodreads and several of them are from authors I know who are seeking publishing contracts. But you know, those folks owe it to the world to warn people away from my books, lest they accidently enjoy them.

Traci
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:35 AM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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LOL...you crack me up Traci.

I don't want to single out the author, and risk hurting his or her feelings. Yet I've seen this happen to other Indies.

I said I suspect the reviewer is an Indi - but I could be wrong. Yet, I can see no other reason for someone to go out of his or her way accusing the author of fake reviews.

When I heard about that writer you know personally leaving a low review - it REALLY PISSED me off. I am serious. Who does that unless they are mean spirited.

Sadly, there are many people in this world who want to see others fail - especially if those "others" seem to be doing better than them.

Good luck again on your new book, BTW. Hope you kick ass.

Bobbi
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:37 AM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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I've got one that really fries my A**! It's on a cookbook and she starts out by saying the recipes and photos look wonderful but because it didn't have a linked TOC she had "no choice" but to give it a ONE STAR!!

I've since added a linked TOC, but really, a ONE STAR after saying how good the recipes and pix looked. Some people.....!
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:39 AM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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Thanks Bobbi...it's not kicking ass yet...more like cowering in the corner hoping no one finds it...however Foreclosed is kicking butt after that promo...with the three books in the series I'm pushing 30 books a day right now! Here's hoping it lasts the whole month!!

I added the titles of all of my books to my each books page under "from the author" so there is always a chance that all those folks buying my books right now will see the newest and try it out too. ; )

Traci
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:48 AM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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I think it's all down to jealousy and power. Jealousy because the reviewer sees another author doing well and then the power to 'take them down'...

It's a sad, cruel world but I guess it's one way where 'little' people can get their jollies off. Imagine having to stoop so low as to write a nasty one star review in order to make you feel good, or get a sense of achievement?

I'm with you, Bobbie. If a book is that bad I would never have finished it and would certainly not consider any review...Takes all sorts, I suppose.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:02 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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That sucks, Anne. I hope this helps - As a reader, if I saw a review like that I would ignore it. I've read 1 star reviews for products because the shipping was slow, or the price was too high (but there was no complaint with the actual product). I ignore ignorant reviews, and I like to think others do too. :)
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:12 AM   in response to: marylisabob in response to: marylisabob
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I agree. The only problem, if a potential customer is skimming book titles, and looking at star totals, those one stars really bring down the average.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:12 AM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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It is not difficult to tell when a review is by another author, when they use technical terms only writers use. I have some that were obviously by other writers that take digs at me personally and make assumptions about my background based on the plot of the story that are totally incorrect, even hinting that I must be a killer. One would think a writer would know that characters in a story and the story’s setting almost never have a thing to do with the author. In fact, authors generally avoid writing stories close to them unless it’s an autobiography and certainly do not create characters based on themselves.

BTW, I don't know how you could have checked on everyone's reviews here, since so many use a username and then use another username to review on amazon. I know that almost all of my reviews are 4 or 5 star.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:14 AM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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I feel your pain - or maybe it's just my own...

I just got a 2 star a couple of hours ago because I cast a woman as the Secretary General of the UN.

He also scoffed that I protrayed them as a well-intentioned, competent organization. I'm not sure he read more than the first few chapters. I did'nt portray them as particularly evil (I've done some writing for UN missions in the past) but I do show them tying soldiers hands with red tape. They were resposible for the death of a main character's father...

Not much you can do. If you climb into the ditch and swing back at them, everybody sees you down there.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:19 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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don't know how you could have checked on everyone's reviews here

Never said that. I said I checked out a few Indies here.

Can't check yours....you sneaky fellow. ;)

As for myself, since I don't disclose my most lucrative pen name, those books have thus far been untouched by the petty reviewer.

Bobbi
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:21 AM   in response to: lins777 in response to: lins777
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I think it's all down to jealousy and power.
Jealousy because the reviewer sees another author
doing well and then the power to 'take them
down'...

It's a sad, cruel world but I guess it's one way
where 'little' people can get their jollies off.
Imagine having to stoop so low as to write a nasty
one star review in order to make you feel good, or
get a sense of achievement?

I'm with you, Bobbie. If a book is that bad I would
never have finished it and would certainly not
consider any review...Takes all sorts, I suppose.


It is well known that once a book starts to sell thousands of copies a month, it will attract bad reviews. This goes for both self-published and traditionally published books. I've seen posters here claim that is only because once the book starts to sell, it finally gets read by people who do not know the author. Who knows thousands of people who would post a glowing review just because they like him/her? One of my novels sold 10,000 copies before it received the first bad review. I don't know ten people who have read my books, much less 10,000. All the others are not only strangers, but I have no idea what their names are.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:24 AM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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When there is money at stake, you must be sneaky. :)
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:31 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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Personally, I don't think all of that is because of pettiness.

When a book soars to the top, selling 1000s, it attracts attention - even from those who don't normally read the genre.

My daughter, who is an avid reader, posts her reviews on Goodreads. Unlike her mama, she will post a one star on an Indi. The reason - she never pays attention to who is Indi and who is traditional.

She leaves what she believes are honest reviews.

She left a two star for 50 Shades. Normally, she would never have read the book, because erotica is not her thing. Therefore, she is an example of a curious reader reading a book out of her preferred genre, and then reviewing. When that happens, the low stars will inevitably follow, IMO.

Bobbi
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Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:33 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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I agree. While posting that pen name might encourage sales from the curious (just what kinda smut is she writing??) - it would never be worth the BS that would inevitably follow.

Bobbi
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