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Karl Jacobs

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Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 17, 2017 12:11 PM
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What’s with all the name-calling on this forum?

I don’t recall ever seeing a lot of this in the past. Why are moderators allowing it?

There are a lot of great people here, writers who are intelligent, know what they are talking about, and willing to share what they’ve learned. I’ve learned a lot from them. But it’s impossible to have a serious discussion when it is taken over by individuals who are clowning around, are off topic, or brazenly insult others. In some cases, these individuals don’t even have books on Amazon.

Is nobody policing this?

Free speech is wonderful, but I would hope it is part of the moderator’s job to block messages that are downright abusive and little more than personal attacks on people.
Etienne

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 17, 2017 1:45 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Karl Jacobs wrote:
What’s with all the name-calling on this forum?


Is nobody policing this?

Free speech is wonderful, but I would hope it is part of the moderator’s job to block messages that are downright abusive and little more than personal attacks on people.


There are no human moderators. Amazon uses robot programs to scan the threads for forbidden topics and/or words. Which explains a great deal.
writerbn

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 17, 2017 3:07 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Karl Jacobs wrote:
What’s with all the name-calling on this forum?
I don't remember being called names in the few years I've been posting here. I'm not saying it hasn't happened at some point; it's just that my memory is short and my skin is thick.

I don’t recall ever seeing a lot of this in the past. Why are moderators allowing it?
There are no moderators, other than one who flips a switch on what the mod-bots send into oblivion.

There are a lot of great people here, writers who are intelligent, know what they are talking about, and willing to share what they’ve learned. I’ve learned a lot from them. But it’s impossible to have a serious discussion when it is taken over by individuals who are clowning around, are off topic, or brazenly insult others. In some cases, these individuals don’t even have books on Amazon.
I've learned a lot as well. I don't mind clowning around or off-topic discussions; they tend to happen mostly in the VOA forum, and add a human dimension to the discourse. I'm guilty of participating in several of those myself. As for brazen insults, I don't see them happening that often. But, as I said, my memory isn't what it used to be.

Is nobody policing this?
Nobody but us chickens.

Free speech is wonderful, but I would hope it is part of the moderator’s job to block messages that are downright abusive and little more than personal attacks on people.
You can report a message if it's abusive. Click the yellow triangle.
resteasy

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 17, 2017 5:01 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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There's nothing wrong with some lively discussion. Looking through the posts, can't see anyone's been abusive to you. Perhaps your inference that as a heady corporate world creature, you have superior knowledge over other authors and their opinions, which has been interpreted as pomposity. Calm down and mix with the crew.
Karl Jacobs

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 17, 2017 8:21 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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writerbin, take a look at the thread "Is Amazon helping or hurting us?" and some of the same characters on this thread.
Sharon Bull

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 18, 2017 1:22 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Karl Jacobs wrote:
writerbin, take a look at the thread "Is Amazon helping or hurting us?" and some of the same characters on this thread.

I read your posts, Karl. I stopped posting in the forums for the same reason, although I have to say it's a lot calmer than it used to be! I guess this forum has its share of armchair warriors and trolls. Turn a blind eye and only take notice of those responses that are valuable to you.

Good luck with your book!
Karl Jacobs

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 18, 2017 4:53 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Thanks, guys. I had no idea there are no human moderators. That’s disappointing. And I didn't know there is such an easy way to report abuses. Thank heaven for that. I did report similar posts on this thread and they were quickly removed.

Ladies, I especially appreciate your kind words. Sometimes I wonder how you are able to put up with males.
resteasy

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 18, 2017 5:33 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Probably because the truth is a bitter pill to swallow.
Jonathan B

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 18, 2017 5:59 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Just because you reported the posts does not mean they will remain removed. They will be reviewed by a human moderator, and if they are within the forum's posting rules, they will be reposted. If you've been found to be capriciously deleting posts, you run the risk of being banned from the forum.
Roger

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 18, 2017 9:20 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Karl Jacobs wrote:
. And I didn't know there is such an easy way to report abuses. Thank heaven for that. I did report similar posts on this thread and they were quickly removed.

You deleted a post that pointed out your hypocrisy. That doesn't make you a hero.

Sometimes I wonder how you are able to put up with males.

This statement is an example of your hypocrisy. Just because you are male does not give you a pass to put all males down. Hypocrisy, thy name is Karl.
Ward Rogers

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 19, 2017 6:53 AM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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Jonathan B wrote:
Just because you reported the posts does not mean they will remain removed. They will be reviewed by a human moderator, and if they are within the forum's posting rules, they will be reposted. If you've been found to be capriciously deleting posts, you run the risk of being banned from the forum.

Karl's wholesale deletion may or may not bring him to the attention of the minds behind the bots, but it does send a very clear message to his fellow forum members -- Disagree with me or my belittling of others and I will banish you to the cornfield. He and can post to his heart's content, but I'll give a pass to his intolerant and inconsequential scribblings.

BTW, I bought his book, unusual for me since most of my e-books come from Amazon or the author. It's a little rough in places, but pretty good overall. I won't be leaving a review however ... not only do I post reviews under my own name, but I don't want him to sic his wife on me for judging it less than perfect.

Notjohn

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 19, 2017 8:36 AM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Free speech is wonderful, but

That seems to be a fairly universal failing today, applauding free speech while calling for its suppression.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Karl Jacobs

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 19, 2017 12:53 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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I deleted no posts of my own on either this thread or the other one. A couple of mine were deleted by my new "friends." I'll put my record up against that of any of these "friends." What ails some of them is I defended a couple of corporations filled with good, decent, and hard-working people. Tell us, guys, about your own records and your own writing.
Thomas Rendall

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 19, 2017 1:03 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Karl - I did not delete any of your posts.

Tom
Karl Jacobs

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Re: Put a stop to the name-calling
Posted: Jun 19, 2017 4:41 PM   in response to: Karl Jacobs in response to: Karl Jacobs
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Tom, I have no desire to fight with you or anyone else. I’m not sure what I said that so upset a few people. I'll bet there is a lot we could like about each other.

My only purpose in starting the “Is Amazon Helping or Hurting Us” thread was to try to put pressure on its Support Service people. It has and I’m hoping it will get action. I’ve had success in the past by doing that.

When I left newspaper work and accepted a job with DuPont I was actually very anti-business. What I found was they treated me better than any of the four newspapers (three quite small) I had worked for. And they certainly paid me better. Our youngest son was able to go to top colleges. His older brother and sister could not.

In my experience, big companies' human-resources practices are pretty sophisticated. There were no arbitrary firings. That was true at both DuPont and Prudential. And I met some pretty impressive folks at those companies. My God, DuPont had 3000 Ph.D.'s and 9000 engineers. (And this was many years ago.) In the '40s and '50s, DuPont was the country's IBM, the company our Government chose to run its first nuclear plant.

Go today to Newark, N.J., a majority black city, and I think you will find overwhelmingly people praise Prudential. Our community relations program was very involved in helping the city and working with its leaders. I'm sincere when I praise one of its Chairman. The guy was a self-made man, the first agent ever to become chairman. A workaholic who had little interest in what his own pay was. A joy to work with because he was fearless and always knew the points he wanted to make.

If you think I'm just a shill for those companies, my second novel takes a lot of shots at some corporate characters and the fictitious company in which my story is set. I certainly know the downside of corporate life.

As far as Amazon is concerned, I have attacked some of their practices and praised some. My thread "Is Amazon Helping or Hurting Us?" is getting a couple thousand views and nearly 50 comments. My simultaneous thread "Yes, Amazon Cares!" has gotten far fewer. I've been attacked both for being too critical of Amazon and too gullible in accepting assurances from its Support Services people.

And yes, I do think you have a more enlightened view of how Big Business works if you’ve actually worked in it, and a little better sense of the people at the top if you’ve actually worked for them. I don’t apologize for that. My next novel is going to be about life in the U.S. Senate, where I also have worked. My day jobs have provided some great material for the novels I’m doing my best to write.

I'm the first person in my family to go to college. My father admired Jimmy Hoffa. My mother was 18 months old when her mother, a Norwegian immigrant, abandoned her to run off with her Danish brother-in-law. (Those damned Danes!) My first college was a state teachers college. Public schools and private corporations have enabled my family to have a lot better life than my parents and grandparents ever had..

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