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okydok

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 5, 2017 7:32 PM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
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Now, that made no sense to me. I've never complained about a review. I've always found them helpful in some way, maybe just understanding how some people think. But when the so called review or star rating is to punish Amazon for a late arriving book, or something else that has nothing to do with the book, I will complain, as I have done many times. More so, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't. Maybe if enough of us did, Amazon would see the light and change the policy. Just saying.
Ward Rogers

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 6, 2017 12:34 PM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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okydok wrote:
Why does everyone assume that I am complaining about a review. I beg you, I am not. What I'm complaining about is low star ratings when the book was admittedly not read - not one page - not one word. If you people think that is fair then I have no idea how you get along in life, letting people push you around unjustly. Well, I wasn't raised that way. My many books all have plenty of reviews and most are 4 - 5 stars and I plan to keep it that way. You wish to allow others to destroy your ranking, please do.

Everyone assumes you're complaining about reviews because you're complaining about reviews. You don't like it that people can post what they want, that you are not protected from "unjust" reviews. You want Amazon to value you more than they do customers, but that's not going to happen. Customers give Amazon money. You don't. Any money derived from your books comes from customers, and, quite honestly, if customers didn't buy your books they would buy someone else's. The money keeps rolling in, the authors keep lining up, and business goes on, with or without you. Really, it's not so much that Amazon don't respect you as they don't care ... you're not a customer, about whom they care very much, so much so that they allow them to post whatever they want, just or unjust, erudite or stupid.
okydok

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 6, 2017 10:03 PM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
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Other than the fact that you can't seem to get it through your head that one can't rate a book they haven't read, I do agree with the rest of your post and why amazon does it. Setting that aside such a situation presented in a court of law would not stand up. And, I might add, if you haven't had one such review (or non review in this case) then you either haven't any books or they get few reviews. I have dozens and they just keep coming. Thanks anyway, Ward, but I've been around here a long time and your sharp tongue is not about to sidetrack me when I'm on a mission.
beachgardener

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 7, 2017 11:06 AM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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Friend Ward my be a bit sharp, but as I see it Amazon is the one embarrassed when I get a review for an air conditioner for my light hearted Cozy. If you have been around as long as you say then you know that. Obsessing over it will only raise your blood pressure, it hurts to watch your frustration. Once I let the powers that be know about the slip I turn my energy to writing the next book. Frankly I suspect they are too busy keeping the page counts and sales accounted for to allow much thought for misplaced reviews. The vast majority of reviews - good and bad - get right where they are meant to. I find the occasional Oops more entertaining than major crime.
Ward Rogers

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 9:42 AM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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okydok wrote:
Other than the fact that you can't seem to get it through your head that one can't rate a book they haven't read, I do agree with the rest of your post and why amazon does it. Setting that aside such a situation presented in a court of law would not stand up. And, I might add, if you haven't had one such review (or non review in this case) then you either haven't any books or they get few reviews. I have dozens and they just keep coming. Thanks anyway, Ward, but I've been around here a long time and your sharp tongue is not about to sidetrack me when I'm on a mission.

Of course customers can rate (and even review) books they have not read. They do it all the time, but only the honest (or foolish) ones actually mention it. Should customers read a book in its entirety before rendering judgement? Perhaps, but even professional reviewers do not. I need not finish a book to be dismayed by it, or to be pleased for that matter, but I usually do. Publishers have never read more than a paragraph before return-posting something found floating in the slush. Potential customers read no more than a few lines of your book before either buying or rejecting, surely the most summary form of judgement. You can rant and rave about people who don't love your book, who only give it three stars (a tepid "I liked it"), or didn't give your book the respect you believe it deserves, but you have to take your customers as they are. You can't administer tests to separate the sheep from the goats, and you definitely cannot expect KDP to apply your standards to a system that was established solely for customers. But you do what you feel you must ... Oh, look! A windmill!

okydok

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 9, 2017 12:50 PM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
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As usual, Ward, you got it wrong again. You're not paying attention. Okay, here we go again. Read these reviews, if that's what you insist on calling them. "I got this book by mistake. I wanted another with a similar title." 1 star. "I haven't had a chance to read this yet." 3 stars. "Amazon promised this book by Friday. It came Monday." 1 star. That's what I call non reviews. And clearly the star ratings are not justified because of it. DIG!
Ward Rogers

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 9, 2017 1:11 PM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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okydok wrote:
As usual, Ward, you got it wrong again. You're not paying attention. Okay, here we go again. Read these reviews, if that's what you insist on calling them. "I got this book by mistake. I wanted another with a similar title." 1 star. "I haven't had a chance to read this yet." 3 stars. "Amazon promised this book by Friday. It came Monday." 1 star. That's what I call non reviews. And clearly the star ratings are not justified because of it. DIG!

I dig. I even gronk it. The reader gave a rating, then wrote whatever he wanted. All perfectly fine. Unless a review contains actionable comments, Amazon has no reason or incentive to change it. You can stamp your feet, you can boast about your worth, and even shake your fist at the heavens with such righteous wrath as to make Achilles tremble, but Amazon is never going to put you or your sense of indignation before a customer's right to be a loon.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 9, 2017 1:36 PM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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You got some dumbass reviews. You can see they are dumbass, people who read them can see they are dumbass, nevertheless Amazon will not remove them.

If that is the worst problem you have in your life, you are a very lucky person. FFS.
Patrick A. Smith

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 11, 2017 6:29 PM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
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Emily Veinglory wrote:
You got some dumbass reviews. You can see they are dumbass, people who read them can see they are dumbass, nevertheless Amazon will not remove them.

If that is the worst problem you have in your life, you are a very lucky person. FFS.


Correct.. and yes, it is zo ns biz what they do.

To the OP, I agree. IF I were running a rev iew biz, then rev iews like that would be trashc anned. Also I would allow frns and fam who bought to post viewz. Anyone who admits they didnt read a bk, that view would be trashed.The other day i put out a book that was really a tight plot etc, and i got a 1 * rvw saying the book was terrible because it had 4 plots! If i were the decisi on maker that would be canned. Also posts w too many mssplld wrds like this kne would be cannd! LOL.

Alaays remember, if a frog had wings he wouldnt bump his bt when he tries to fly.
George Garrigues

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 7:29 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
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George Garrigues

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 7:34 PM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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I think Amazon did a Good Thing when it divided reviewers into Verified and Not Verified. I DO read one-star reviews of many products I buy through Smile.Amazon, but I ignore them if they are simply silly.
George Garrigues

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 7:38 PM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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If the star ratings are not justified, the potential buyer will ignore them.
okydok

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 16, 2017 1:22 PM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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When will someone realize that star ratings count for something. If you're satisfied with a 3 star average, go for it. I'm not. My writing is better than that. Much better.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 17, 2017 8:09 AM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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When will you realize that you are not the boss of people who write review, or amazon. Many genius authors have 3 or less as an average review here. Because many readers are idiots, and it is their right to express their idiot opinions in reviews. Such is life.
okydok

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Re: We can all find fault with about anything that is unjust.
Posted: Jul 17, 2017 7:40 PM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
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