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Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 14, 2017 12:34 PM
 
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Help, please.
Is anyone able to advise how to commence page numbering from the seventh page.
This is becoming a real problem for me, so any advice would be appreciated.
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 14, 2017 1:33 PM   in response to: kenneth hillair... in response to: kenneth hillair...
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I haven't applied it yet to my own books, but I did save a link somewhere ... here ya go:

https : // wiki . openoffice . org /wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students/Unnumbered_first_pages

Remove the spaces.

Let us know if it works for you.

Note: If you're using headers with both text and page numbers, and you want the page nos. near the page edge, you define the headers as a paragraph, justified, with LAST LINE JUSTIFIED, and place tabs between the text and the page number insertion point (though NOT to the absolute edge--this allows page numbers to grow from 1 to 3 digits without spilling to the next line). If you use mirrored margins, you define one heading for an even page, one heading for an odd page (it doesn't matter which even or odd page you do this on).
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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 15, 2017 3:28 AM   in response to: kenneth hillair... in response to: kenneth hillair...
 
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Pagination is the happiest moment for a self-pubber of print editions. There is NO easy way to do it. Not in Word, not in OpenOffice Writer (which I use for this purpose), and I believe not in Libre, whatever that is. I have printed out the instructions for OpenOffice -- they run to ten pages or so! But really, I find it easier to do a web search for PAGE NUMBERS IN OPEN OFFICE than rummage through my file drawer on internet stuff. The problem is that I only put out a paperback a year, and I forget the ritual between times. Perhaps someone younger, or who publishes a book a month, would not have that problem.

There is a solution: get some kind of PDF editor (I have an ancient copy of Adobe Acrobat that suffices for that purpose) and erase the page numbers 1 through 6. I used to think that starting page one chapter one as 7 was a sin against Saint Gutenberg. But earlier this year I decided to bring back my first novel, published by Doubleday. Doubleday! Big Five, though probably Big Fifteen at the time. I was gobsmacked to see that Chapter One began on PAGE SEVEN.

That's exactly what I did in the paperback of my Guide. I wanted to refer to the illustrations on page ii and page vi, and I could think of no other way to do it in print than to leave the page number 2 and 6 at the bottom of those pages. I erased the numbers on i, iii, iv, and v.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 15, 2017 5:33 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Actually, NJ, I feel so few readers worry about leading page numbers that I was satisfied with just getting it off the title page, the setting for which in OO is pretty easy. The link I gave in the earlier post seems to provide a way to avoid page numbering using different page "styles"--there's that word again. I hope the O.P. comes back to the thread to let us know if it works.

Edit: And I think (but am not 100%) that Libre is just another incarnation of OO.

Edited by: Joseph M Erhardt on Sep 15, 2017 5:39 AM
Ward Rogers

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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 15, 2017 8:21 AM   in response to: kenneth hillair... in response to: kenneth hillair...
 
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In Word, it's fairly simple. On your last non-numbered page, you insert Section Break/New Page, then unlink the two sections. Start pagination at 1, uncheck the continue from previous section box, and Bob's your uncle. Perhaps there's a similar option in your software.
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Posted: Sep 15, 2017 2:26 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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And I think (but am not 100%) that Libre is just another incarnation of OO.

I downloaded LibreOffice just to find out, but it was so different on first impression that I was discouraged from making the test. Here's an assessment of the differences: https://www.howtogeek.com/187663

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 15, 2017 3:35 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Thanks for the link. I had suspected that the original open-source situation had produced a schism of some kind, with some group veering off the path, at least a bit.
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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 15, 2017 9:47 PM   in response to: kenneth hillair... in response to: kenneth hillair...
 
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Simple. Kindle does not do page numbering.
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Posted: Sep 15, 2017 11:14 PM   in response to: thebmk in response to: thebmk
 
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thebmk wrote:
Simple. Kindle does not do page numbering.

CreateSpace and KDP-Print do.
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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 16, 2017 3:02 AM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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so few readers worry about leading page numbers that I was satisfied with just getting it off the title page

Indeed, standards drop with each generation. But a book that opens on page seven has got a strike against it. If the text is ragged right, another strike. Double-space the text -- well, that's three strikes, and I for one would return the book for a refund. (Actually, the Look Inside sample would have dissuaded me from buying it in the first place.)

Speaking of refunds, I am now in my third month without one. So perhaps you're right, and standards have now hit rock bottom, so that anything even halfway competent looks like a masterpiece. I used to figure 2 percent returns, and though it varied from month to month, that average held for nine years. We now seem to have entered new territory.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 16, 2017 5:51 AM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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Thank you, Joseph, for this link. Having read it, I am uncertain about its usefulness as it requires moving margins. Working with a CS interior template this would, to my mind, create problems.

I have looked on line for answers to my problem, checking both Libre Office 4.1 and OO. There are many suggestions but they don't appear to work for me.

My thanks to you, NJ, for taking the trouble to download Libre to test it. I appreciate the help you have both offered.

At least my question has raised interest with other Community users, which is good. Maybe someone, somewhere, has an answer.
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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 18, 2017 6:09 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Thanks, NJ for taking the trouble to download Libre and checking it out.
Your guidance, and that of others, is much appreciated. Hopefully, an answer to my question may yet be found.
Thanks again.

Ken
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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 18, 2017 7:24 AM   in response to: kenneth hillair... in response to: kenneth hillair...
 
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Is your question about not having page numbers show up on the first six pages, or having the seventh page be numbered "1"?

The latter is quite easy. (I use LibreOffice 4.3, but I don't think it's changed since 4.1.)

1) Insert->Manual Break
2) Select your page style
3) Check "Change Page Number" and make sure it is set to start at 1

Now to hide the page numbers on the front matter is more complicated - you need to use different page styles; when you add a page number to a header or footer, it will only show up on other pages of the same style. The CreateSpace template probably makes that harder because it was designed for Word, not LibreOffice; I dropped the template quite quickly and just built up my own page and text styles from scratch.

--Ron
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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 18, 2017 9:11 AM   in response to: Ron Stieger in response to: Ron Stieger
 
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Thanks, Ron, I'll give it a try. Yes, I want six front pages without numbers, and then commence page seven as 1.

Ken
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Re: Page numbering on Libre 4.1
Posted: Sep 19, 2017 6:23 AM   in response to: kenneth hillair... in response to: kenneth hillair...
 
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Thanks, Ron, it almost worked!
My first page, the seventh, was numbered at 1 as required but the eighth page became No
6 and so on. I think I need a better understanding of the use of page styles to help overcome this, I notice that two or three individual pages are shown as First page , Any words of wisdom you care to offer, so that I can start again would be good.
Thanks for your input.

Ken
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