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Phyllis Birnbaum

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Chapter headings
Posted: Sep 28, 2017 5:10 PM
 
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I would like my chapter headings to look like this:

1
WINNING AT CHESS centered

I've used the same heading for both those lines and a soft return after the "1"

But when I look at it in the Kindle Previewer, there is too big a space between the 2 lines so it ends up looking like this:

1


WINNING AT CHESS

Any suggestions about how I can fix this? Thank you, Phyllis

thrasherll

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Re: Chapter headings
Posted: Sep 28, 2017 7:28 PM   in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum
 
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It would help to know what program you're using to create those chapter headings.

L. L. Thrasher
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Re: Chapter headings
Posted: Sep 28, 2017 7:37 PM   in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum
 
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Phyllis Birnbaum wrote:
I would like my chapter headings to look like this:

1
WINNING AT CHESS centered

I've used the same heading for both those lines and a soft return after the "1"

But when I look at it in the Kindle Previewer, there is too big a space between the 2 lines so it ends up looking like this:

1

WINNING AT CHESS

Any suggestions about how I can fix this? Thank you, Phyllis


Hi, Phyllis:

Well, firstly, we need to know how you're creating the eBook. Based upon what you've said, I believe that you're using Word, right? The soft return was a clue. ;-)

Assuming I'm right, then, here are your issues:

  • In eBooks, the size of the line-height is dictated, understandably, by the size (height) of the font (heading). When you use a soft return, (Shift+enter, yes?), you create a new line, and that new line will also be the height of the line before it.

What you're describing, though--the result--isn't what should occur, if you're putting in a soft return. It's what would happen if you put in a hard return, and created a new paragraph. When you do that, the next line/paragraph--the "Winning at Chess" line--inherits the same characteristics as the first heading paragraph (the "1"). That means it inherits the space before, the space after, etc.

One way to address this is to select "do not put space between paragraphs of the same style" (paraphrasing, but it's in the Paragraph style formatting. That would eliminate the space before/after coding for that second paragraph/line.

Can you check, and make sure that the "enter" you're using, after the first line, the number, is the right type of return? The Shift-enter soft return/break, and not a full paragraph/return? And the Style/Heading, and formatting that you're using for the heading(s)?

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Phyllis Birnbaum

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Re: Chapter headings
Posted: Sep 29, 2017 12:31 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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Yes, I am using Word 2010

I have used "soft return" correctly I believe.
I tried your trick with the "do not put space between paragraphs of the same style" and the situation has improved! Before there were about 4 spaces between the 1st and 2nd line, but now there are maybe 2 spaces. Is there any way to get the two lines even closer, to single spacing?

And this is the description of my style:

Font: (Default) +Headings (Calibri), Bold
Right: 0.01", Centered, Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style, Level 4, Style: Linked, Quick Style, Priority: 10
Based on: Normal

Thank you!
Notjohn

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Re: Chapter headings
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 2:58 AM   in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum
 
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Is there any way to get the two lines even closer, to single spacing?

Yes, use html. (You can borrow my style sheet from my blog.)

Even easier, put the number on the same line with an en dash between it and the chapter title. Don't try to force your notion of handsome formatting on the rest of the world -- leave that stuff to the professionals like Hitch.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Phyllis Birnbaum

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Re: Chapter headings
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 10:05 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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you made me laugh! I guess you're right, best not to try for anything fancy right now.
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Re: Chapter headings
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 10:09 PM   in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum
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Phyllis Birnbaum wrote:
Yes, I am using Word 2010

I have used "soft return" correctly I believe.
I tried your trick with the "do not put space between paragraphs of the same style" and the situation has improved! Before there were about 4 spaces between the 1st and 2nd line, but now there are maybe 2 spaces. Is there any way to get the two lines even closer, to single spacing?

And this is the description of my style:

Font: (Default) +Headings (Calibri), Bold
Right: 0.01", Centered, Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style, Level 4, Style: Linked, Quick Style, Priority: 10
Based on: Normal

Thank you!


Phyllis:

Part of the challenge is that you've used heading styles, for both. Try this--try creating a new paragraph style, for the sub-heading. Give it the same STYLE as the heading--same font size, etc., but make sure that the spacing before/after is 0.

ALSO look into the Heading style, and make sure that SPACE AFTER is set to 0, too.

Then try styling the subhead that, and see what happens. I think it will get closer to the heading. I don't work in Word, I work in XHTML and CSS, but the theories are the same.

Hitch
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Phyllis Birnbaum

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Re: Chapter headings
Posted: Oct 1, 2017 7:54 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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Oh, wow! That worked. It looks gorgeous!

I had to fiddle with it a little.
I made the first line heading ("1") bold
And as you advised, I made the 2nd line style same as the first line's, bold. But Word refused to make it bold so I did it manually and that came out fine.

I thank you so much!
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Posted: Oct 1, 2017 9:54 AM   in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum in response to: Phyllis Birnbaum
 
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Phyllis Birnbaum wrote:
Oh, wow! That worked. It looks gorgeous!

I had to fiddle with it a little.
I made the first line heading ("1") bold
And as you advised, I made the 2nd line style same as the first line's, bold. But Word refused to make it bold so I did it manually and that came out fine.

I thank you so much!


I'm glad you're happy, and glad I could help.

:-)

Hitch
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