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Terry Findlay

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Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 11:04 AM
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I tried entering my Canadian SIN number in the Tax Identification Number but it wasn't accepted. How should I proceed?
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 12:14 PM   in response to: Terry Findlay in response to: Terry Findlay
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You need to follow the Canadian number with "EH".

Oh, I'm going to be punished for that joke.

There are a number of Canadian writers on the forums, and you should soon get an answer. Hang on.
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 2:01 PM   in response to: Terry Findlay in response to: Terry Findlay
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Here's an old thread that says the SIN should be working:

https://kdp.amazon.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=1009498

There are also threads that indicate you need an ITIN (individual tax ID number), but see what others here say, first.
cdalebrittain

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 2:52 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
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The Canadian insurance number should work. About two or three years ago they decided international authors didn't actually need the ITIN unless they were a corporation. Try putting it in again and make sure you've checked that you're Canadian.
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 2:58 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
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cdalebrittain wrote:
The Canadian insurance number should work. About two or three years ago they decided international authors didn't actually need the ITIN unless they were a corporation. Try putting it in again and make sure you've checked that you're Canadian.

That was my understanding.

The O.P. should be careful to indicate that they are publishing as an individual, and not as a business (if that is, in fact, the case).
Terry Findlay

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Sep 30, 2017 4:46 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
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Thanks everyone. I found my problem. I hadn't selected the non-US button.
Notjohn

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Oct 1, 2017 2:49 AM   in response to: Terry Findlay in response to: Terry Findlay
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Have you already identified yourself as having a Canadian mail address and bank?

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Duane Dingle

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 19, 2017 1:19 PM   in response to: Terry Findlay in response to: Terry Findlay
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I have never entered my Canadian SIN anywhere, ever, and have never seen where it asked that I do. I entered the EIN number for exemption on the US withholding of taxes, but never my SIN.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 19, 2017 2:06 PM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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The Canadian SIN is also acceptable, not all Canadians have a US tax number,
Notjohn

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 1:10 PM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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For several years the US IRS has told us not to use an EIN for this purpose, but if the software accepted the EIN, I suppose there's no harm done.

In theory, you should enter your CA tax ID, and the proper withholding (zero) will be calculated from that. And nobody will then be expecting your tax return to be filed. Given the number of self-pubbers, that change must have relieved a huge burden from the IRS.

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Duane Dingle

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 8:05 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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There is no question to it. As a Canadian (and I know it's required for the Brits too) you MUST have an EIN to avoid the 30% withholding tax if you have never done business in the US. There is no other way around it, but they do give it out faster than the previous four month cycle of mailing ID's and forms. It can be done with a one minute phone call. I did it twice, once for me and once for my friend in the event of my death, and both IRS ladies were surprisingly wonderful and I continue to be impressed by the experience -much better than dealing with the Canadian Revenue Service. The first one walked me through the short process and asked me several US business related questions and when I was stumped as to what the terms she used meant and told her she was talking to an idiot, she told me just to say no to each question that she repeated -really, if the answer was yes, that would have meant I knew what she was talking about. The second one was probably very lonely cause the second time I got an EIN number (I know the word number is redundant since "N" stands for that) she started telling me about her children. Anyway...I recently had to setup the tax information with Audible and it also didn't require my Canadian SIN, but did require the EIN. Really, how would Amazon or even the IRS know that the SIN I am giving them is even valid? The EIN, though, is verified at the time of processing the tax info on Amazon.
Notjohn

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 21, 2017 3:32 AM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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. As a Canadian (and I know it's required for the Brits too) you MUST have an EIN to avoid the 30% withholding tax

No, that's incorrect. I think it was four years ago that the system changed. More than two years anyhow. Since then, a KDP self-pubber hasn't needed, and indeed is not supposed to get unless a formally organized business, an EIN.

Indeed, ONLY by entering one's home-country tax ID can one conform to the software as it is now written. (A properly issued EIN or ITIN from the old days would probably still work.) It is the national tax ID number that sorts out the tax treaty applicable to the individual.

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Duane Dingle

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 21, 2017 6:13 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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No, actually it is 100% correct, and just to make sure it was, I wasted five minutes and went through KDPs Tax exemption interview again and it's the same as Audible.com's Tax Interview, which in my case requires an EIN as a simple sole proprietorship rather than a Canadian LTD Canadian, not a Canadian SSN/SIN.

I only HAD to get my EIN number a couple of years back when my sales were significant enough to force me to bother going through the traditional and long process of getting it -but then I found the fast way. And Just last month I filled out the Tax Interview for Amazon's Audible Company and HAD to use my EIN number to qualify to be exempt from the tax withholdings there...and last month, my audiobook partner, a Brit had to obtain and use an EIN to be exempt from Audible's withholding and another fellow Canadian I deal with had to do the same last week too, and both are now exempt. I'm sorry, but I would have to believe both my own experience and also that Amazon knows what it's doing when it comes to taxes over what you are saying.
Oh, and a few months back I received an email from Smashwords (I haven't used them in almost three years and never bothered to enter my tax info when I got it) requesting that I update my Tax info (enter my valid EIN number for the withholding exemptions.) I wonder why that was requested if it was not needed?

EDITED: Oh, sorry, I should have also mentioned that I HAD to recently supply the EIN to avoid the tax withholdings through Babelcube.

Edited by: Duane Dingle on Dec 21, 2017 6:34 AM
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 21, 2017 6:57 AM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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It is not correct for the average Canadian author operating as an individual, like OP Terry, they just use their SIN. This has been the case since 2014.
Duane Dingle

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Re: Tax Identification Number for Canadians
Posted: Dec 21, 2017 8:15 AM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
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Darn, and I always considered myself average! If they do take Treaty countries tax ID numbers now, then I’ve been making my friends work for nothing. Surprised no one has come back and slapped me textually, but the year is not over yet.
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