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Raunak Agarwal

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Can we Promote our Book here?
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 7:32 AM
 
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Hello everyone. Raunak here. I am a new author and I am from India.

I published my first book through this platform last month.
I was wondering if I can actually talk about my book and ask people to read it through this forum?
This is my first post so i don't know much about the indie community in here but would love to connect with others and make some valuable contacts.

Much Love.

Edited by: Raunak Agarwal on Oct 6, 2017 9:24 PM
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Can we Promote our Book here?
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 7:37 AM   in response to: Raunak Agarwal in response to: Raunak Agarwal
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No.

If you want some advice from peers about improving your books or book marketing, that you might get. But be careful what you ask for. No ego-stroking is provided.
Cynthia E. Hurst

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Posted: Oct 6, 2017 8:08 AM   in response to: Raunak Agarwal in response to: Raunak Agarwal
 
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Your blurb is enough to send any potential reader running for the hills. It's rambling, ungrammatical, sophomoric, self-congratulatory (no one cares what people on Wattpad thought of it) and obviously not proofread.
Raunak Agarwal

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Posted: Oct 6, 2017 9:25 AM   in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst
 
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what you said was kinda rude but i'll ignore that and would really like to know why you said so? why ungrammatical? why sophomoric? why not proofread? and about wattpad... that's something I am proud of and i guess you won't understand that feeling unless you achieve something yourself right? btw I am 21 and what you call juvenile? I call thinking out of the box. cheers :)
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Posted: Oct 6, 2017 10:24 AM   in response to: Raunak Agarwal in response to: Raunak Agarwal
 
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Raunak Agarwal wrote:
what you said was kinda rude but i'll ignore that and would really like to know why you said so? why ungrammatical? why sophomoric? why not proofread? and about wattpad... that's something I am proud of and i guess you won't understand that feeling unless you achieve something yourself right? btw I am 21 and what you call juvenile? I call thinking out of the box. cheers :)

When one asks questions on these forums, the replies come from authors. Although the replies may seem harsh, they are actually done to help you see your flaws.
Example: In your blurb, do you mean humans or do you have a sci-fi going?

Have you read other blurbs to see what type of information is written there?
What is with all the ':P' and other symbols in your book text? This is a book, not a messenger.
You have numerous errors throughout what can be read, such as 'of-course'.
Also, the last part of a sentence such as '!' should be next to the word.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Posted: Oct 6, 2017 12:06 PM   in response to: Raunak Agarwal in response to: Raunak Agarwal
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Raunak Agarwal wrote:
what you said was kinda rude but i'll ignore that and would really like to know why you said so? why ungrammatical? why sophomoric? why not proofread? and about wattpad... that's something I am proud of and i guess you won't understand that feeling unless you achieve something yourself right? btw I am 21 and what you call juvenile? I call thinking out of the box. cheers :)

Raunak,

This isn't a place to network, or plug your work, and there are no private chatrooms here for you to make new friends. You appear to have completely the wrong impression of what this community is about. But don't worry, you're not the first, and won't be the last.

As you're so new here, I'll go easy, but to explain what the community is all about, I'll relate it to your post, so you'll understand it better.

Mistake #1. Announcing your arrival on the forum in huge print as though we've all been waiting for you like the second coming - We haven't, and nobody cares. We're here to help and support each other, not to stand and applaud every time a newbie shows up. Frankly, our hands would be too sore to type, and we'd never get our own writing done.

Mistake #2. Not actually checking out the community to see whether other authors have promoted their books here - The answer, which you've already been given, is no. This isn't the place. We're authors, not readers.

Mistake #3. Posting the name of your book - BIG mistake, unless you're ready/asking for it to be looked at critically. This place is full of authors who can actually write. Not rant. The minute you put your book details out there, you're going to get comments about the cover, the blurb, and the Look Inside. The lady who gave you her opinion wasn't rude, she was honest, and if anything, she went a little easy on you. I went a step further and looked at your 'Look Inside', and was even less impressed with the inside than the outside. Just because you call it a rant, doesn't mean you can throw away all the basics of good writing. And do you really need someone to explain what they mean when they say your work is 'ungrammatical' and 'not proofread'? It means that your grammar is appalling, with unnecessary capital letters, ampersands and misplaced punctuation throughout, and if you'd had it properly proofread, you'd have known that before you published it.

Mistake #4. Your attitude - The fact that you're 21 doesn't surprise me, although you represent only a small minority of 21 years olds, thank goodness. You come across as having the arrogance of someone who's just finished 3 years in college (not that you actually learned anything, but you had a great time with your pals), all paid for by mummy and daddy, and who hasn't got a clue about what it's like to live in the real world or pay his own bills yet, because you still live at home. Am I close? I am, aren't I? Cynthia really nailed it with 'sophomoric'.

Mistake #5. Your disrespect - Do you have any idea who Cynthia is? What her pen name is? How successful she is? No, you don't. And yet you come on here and say she wouldn't understand success unless she'd experienced some, the obvious und unsubtle insinuation being that she hadn't. And what's your success? 10,000 downloads on wattpad? That's the free download site, right? Maybe you'd better save the self congratulating until you've actually had 10,000 sales. That's a better measure of success. And I can't see any evidence of anyone calling you juvenile... but now you come to mention it, being juvenile is nothing to be proud of, nor does it have anything to do with thinking outside of the box. To the rest of the world it's an annoying state of being which you, specifically, personify. Oh, and you might want to take your book off wattpad if you intend selling it on Amazon. They don't like you using them to sell what you give away for free elsewhere. It's in the TOC you agreed to.

Raunak, take this experience as a life lesson, similar to the ones you rant about. This is a community of adults, not immature kids. You've had a baptism of fire, but you've survived it.

We welcome newbies of all ages. Our numbers include teenagers right up to nonagenarians, and we all help each other and learn from each other. People here are incredibly supportive and ridiculously knowledgeable, and you will learn more from them than a hundred self-help books.

You, too, are welcome, despite your unfortunate experience today, and we'll be here to help you as the need arises.

But do yourself and the community a favour, hmm? When you call up Google to look up 'sophomoric', check out 'humility' while you're at it. A little goes a long way.

Yes, this was me going easy.

Good luck. J
C. Gold

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Re: Can we Promote our Book here?
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 3:53 PM   in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst
 
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The blurb does a very good job of informing the potential reader of what the inside is going to be like. I probably wouldn't change it unless the inside got redone with more conventional grammar. I agree the approach makes it seem more fantasy with using the word 'hoooman' instead of human, and unicorns. That didn't seem to have anything to do with the book itself and muddles what the book is about.

I get what the author is trying to do stylistically. It's akin to using l33t speak, just with lots of & and ! and using numbers instead of writing out the numbers under a hundred. And I guess using A/N to indicate the author speaking directly to you? It's not quite as annoying as it would be if he actually did use l33t speak, but it does go against normal grammar conventions.

The sarcasm reminds me of when I wrote articles in high school and thought I was funny but I probably was more insulting. Attacking people who enjoy reading horoscopes, telling them to grow up, is the author's prerogative, but I didn't find it funny or entertaining, unlike horoscopes which I do find fun. The author probably hates fortune cookies too.
La Venta West

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Re: Can we Promote our Book here?
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 3:55 PM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Mrs. Evan, you can't see it, but I'm clapping and cheering for you right now :) With a few tweaks to make this more generic, your comment ought to be pinned to the top of the forum with the title "Newbies: Read Before Asking Questions."
Raunak Agarwal

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Re: Can we Promote our Book here?
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 10:02 PM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Mrs Julia,

Thank you for taking out the time to explain everything to me.

#1 nobody really waits for anyone anyway. I just used heavy print to greet everyone but since you said it was wrong, I edited it.

#2 I tried looking but the forum appeared a bit confusing to me as compared to other forums i've come across and the last time I was here, I could only find posts over 3-4 years old.

#3 You said the same things as Mrs Cynthia and yet none of your words sounded rude so yes she was rude. I get it, I am just a begginer but then my book isn't a novel that i need to strictly adhere to conventional grammar. I've written my quotes in all caps simply because I wanted to. On the other hand, the chapters that contain poem strictly adhere to the conventional grammar because they demand so.

#4 Real world? I have been working along with my dad since the age of 17 and being an indian we don't have a concept of living in separate homes. we stay together from birth unto death.

#5 Yes, it was free on wattpad but my book bought a smile on every single person who read it over there. Though the major chunk were indians but yes, they were happy readers. 10,000 sales? maybe not today but someday for sure and yes I obviously took it off wattpad. I read the TOC before accepting and even if I hadn't, why would anyone pay for my book if I gave it for free elsewhere?

Having said that, I truly respect each and every thing you said and would love to hear future advice from you. I really didn't take anything in a wrong way because if my book is being criticised, it's only for my own good, right? and to be honest, I won't change my style of writing for this book just because it's unconventional for I already have many a readers telling me otherwise and well, a readers opinion matters much more to me.

Yes, I googled sophomoric, in fact I googled every single word she had written because I consider complicated words my negative point and is something I really need to work on that.

Warm regards
Raunak
Mrs Julia Evans

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Posted: Oct 7, 2017 1:53 AM   in response to: Raunak Agarwal in response to: Raunak Agarwal
 
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Hello Raunak,

Well, what a difference!

Who'd have thought that, when you stripped back the arrogant, cocky little oik who showed up in our community yesterday, you'd find the seedling of a sensible and thoughtful young man?

Welcome, new Raunak, to the community. I sincerely hope that in future posts, it'll be you that shows up, and not the old Raunak!

So, starting from scratch, and for the benefit of any other newbies out there, looking on in horror, the community is a place where authors help each other, and provide support, moral, general and technical. As I said yesterday, there are wonderful people here who, quite frankly, should be charging for their advice, but, for whatever reason, possibly a kind heart, give it away for free. You'd do well to listen to them.

I answer questions in areas where I feel I can be of help, and where I feel I can add to the conversation. I have one or two areas of specific expertise, which have been helpful to a few people, so I like to think I add a little something by just being here. Feel free to ask me anything.

But compared to our experts here, I'm still an absolute novice. I've been coming here for maybe two years as a visitor before I signed on as an author, so I consider myself only a couple of rungs up the ladder from you. You'd do well to listen to the likes of Notjohn, cdalebrittain, writerbn, booknookbiz, Joseph m Erhardt, Donna St Felix, and Diana Persaud. (Apologies to the dozens of others I've missed, but take advice from daily.)

Truthfully, your book isn't something that would appeal to me, not because I'm so much older than you, I hope, but because I found much of what you were saying crossed a line from humorous to offensive. Coming from a fifty year old who'd actually lived, worked and paid taxes for decades, it might not have grated on me so much, but knowing it came from a youngster with little actual experience of life, I found it quite annoying. And before you think I'm insulting you, I'm not. I'm just explaining my personal taste and the rationale behind why I didn't like your book.

Like c.gold, I could see what you were trying to do, but underneath all the rant, and the idiosyncratic way you've chosen to present your writing, you still have to ensure that the basics of grammar are there. With the way you've presented your work, yes, I could see that some of it was deliberate, but some of it just looked careless, and it felt like it was full of mistakes. If you're going to make a statement, like your use of ampersands for example, you have to be consistent throughout. Chopping and changing really does give the reader the impression that you've not bothered to proofread your work.

Your cover is quite attractive by the way. My only negative is that you've split 'heartbroken' into two words in the title. I know it looks good like that on the cover, but you could still show it as one word in the title. Just my thoughts. It's your book.

Anyway, I'm sure you're feeling all lectured out. That wasn't my intention today, honestly. I just wanted you to see what happens when people come together on the community for a chat. It's so much nicer than having a rant and then having people get annoyed with you.

My final piece of advice to you is to grow a thicker skin. Cynthia's words may have been succinct, and very much to the point, but they weren't rude. Some of us (obviously not me) spare few words to get right to the point.

Once on Amazon, your book is available for wannabe critics to pull to shreds, and believe me, they will. Your work falls into the Marmite category, so you will have people who love it and people who hate it. Both are quite vocal when it comes to reviewing books. Brace yourself to take the good and the bad. I guarantee you'll get both.

So, new Raunak, I wish you a good day. I look forward to seeing you back in the community soon. I just hope it's not with the next most asked newbie question - 'why isn't anybody buying my book?'

Very best wishes. J
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Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Can we Promote our Book here?
Posted: Oct 7, 2017 2:12 AM   in response to: La Venta West in response to: La Venta West
 
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La Venta, you can't see it, but I'm curtseying in humble gratitude, blushing at your kind words. :)

I don't know what's going on this week, but people have really got me grinding my teeth in annoyance. Not just this young chap, but older heads that, frankly, should know better. I don't normally respond quite so vociferously, but as I said on another post, they've just got on my last nerve and snapped it! Who knows, maybe Ward dropped some of his snark as he left the building, and I've stepped in it. I did go to London the other day...

Hah! I should be so lucky as to stand in his shadow! LOL

Best wishes. J
C. Gold

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Posted: Oct 7, 2017 2:53 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Oh no, don't say Ward is gone. I expected him to pounce any moment. Boy can he tell it like it is...
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Posted: Oct 7, 2017 8:12 AM   in response to: Raunak Agarwal in response to: Raunak Agarwal
 
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Believe it or not, what I wrote was intended to encourage you to improve your work and therefore, get some sales. Like Julia, I'm afraid I just snapped at the sight of another badly edited piece of work and your attitude that you were presenting something unique and wonderful. I'll try to explain what I meant.
Rambling? Yes, you go from unicorns talking to saying how much readers are gonna love your book. This gives no real idea of what it's about. Fantasy? Poetry? The blurb is your best chance to grab readers, not confuse them. Your shop window, if you will.
Sophomoric? Well, you're 21. I would have guessed that from your whole attitude (I have sons older than you) and your style, for example, repeatedly using the word "crap". Nothing wrong with that if you're aiming at your own age group, but you're limiting your potential readership.
Self-congratulatory? Don't brag about your popularity or assure readers they will love your book. Let them decide for themselves.
Not proofread? Your dialogue in the unicorn bit is not punctuated correctly (quote marks go outside the commas or question marks) and you have "me" where you mean "we". Or at least I assume you do, since it doesn't make sense otherwise. "Pled" is not the usual past tense of "plead". Those errors in the blurb tell me the rest of the book is likely to be the same.
I hope that clarifies my comments. I wish you well.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2017 6:08 PM   in response to: Raunak Agarwal in response to: Raunak Agarwal
 
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Maybe if you wrote something interesting instead of namby-pamby philosophical drivel, it might be a start in selling some books, that is, after you've learned to write fluently for a reading audience comprising 99 percent expecting the author to have a command of boring ol' normal grammar and layout. You might think bucking the trend of conventional writing is amazing enlightenment into a new form of expression for mere mortals, but your potential readers will be puzzled and move on.

I know you think I'm being rude, harsh. But I hope you learn the hard graft of being a professional writer. Nobody will consider you've written great stuff because you think it. It's a wild world. If you can't take it, settle with the people who'll tell you your work is wonderful. Probably won't buy it though.

Edited by: resteasy on Oct 10, 2017 6:09 PM
peterws

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Posted: Oct 12, 2017 6:59 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Blimey! After all that, I'm gonna need to look at this book; might be right up my street . . . .hope it's cheap .
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