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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Mar 24, 2013 9:01 PM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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WordPerfect has two options for saving HTML: a simpler one (similar to "web page filtered") and a bloated one. Both have numerous formatting problems when converted to the Kindle format. I was unable to make a clean manuscript that would convert nicely, without a user trying to correct HTML code. Corel also sells a $10 add-on to the latest WordPerfect Office that converts a WordPerfect file to a Kindle book, epub, and other formats (using KindleGen that you have to download yourself). Feedback from its users suggests that this add-on requires a lot of tweaking. For people unfamiliar with HTML, I think it would be simpler and cheaper to just import the WordPerfect file into a free trial of Micrsoft Word and to do the formatting there.
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Posted: Mar 24, 2013 10:05 PM   in response to: man2010 in response to: man2010
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I should have also mentioned that this guy converted hiis WordPerfect file to Word for me first, and the TOC went haywire when he did it. I would have re-built it from scratch anyway, but I have to think that TOCs should not be made in WP.

LibreWriter has an app for generating ePub files also. It's pretty useless.
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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Mar 25, 2013 12:06 AM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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WordPerfect is a nice alternative to MS Word in general, but it's too bad that Amazon's epublishing tools don't work with WP files.

P.S. I also noticed that you get screwy results if you save a WP file as a Word doc from within WordPerfect Office. On the other hand, if you open a WP file in MS Word and then save it as a Word doc, you get better conversion.

Edited by: man2010 on Mar 25, 2013 12:22 AM
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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Mar 25, 2013 3:28 AM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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LibreWriter has an app for generating ePub files also. It's pretty useless.

Woah there, dude.

We don't advertise our ePub generation as "100% there", but "pretty useless" is not true. I know that it does work for plenty of people, and we've been able to make the ePubs work for pretty much everyone who's needed help, even though we don't guarantee them like we do the .mobi files.

Also, it's LiberWriter.

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Posted: Mar 25, 2013 3:41 AM   in response to: davidnwelton in response to: davidnwelton
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It just occurred to me that you might be referring to LibreOffice Writer, which is a very different animal than LiberWriter, and as far as I know, may well be useless.

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Posted: Mar 25, 2013 8:20 AM   in response to: davidnwelton in response to: davidnwelton
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Yes, LibreOffice Writer. One of you ought to change your product name. Too close for comfort.
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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Mar 25, 2013 11:30 AM   in response to: man2010 in response to: man2010
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I agree. Never save a WordPerfect file as MS Word while using WordPerfect. Just open the WP file using Word. But don’t be surprised if the TOC still doesn’t work!
And as for the WordPerfect e-book tool, it drove me to learn html. I know I’m getting better results now.
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Posted: Mar 25, 2013 12:04 PM   in response to: huemann in response to: huemann
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And as for the WordPerfect e-book tool, it drove me to learn html.

duly noted. I will continue to not recommend it.
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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Apr 3, 2013 3:01 AM   in response to: man2010 in response to: man2010
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Hello,

I used the template Children's Simplest from "Formatting of Children's Books and Comics for the Kindle" for my eBook, with a landscape cover image feeding into the opf file. I previewed it, and all looked well...until I uploaded a portrait cover image for my product image/cover in KDP. Then, in KDP previewer, the first page showed a shrunken/scaled-down version of the portrait image, and the second page of the book showed a hugely expanded version of the portrait cover, cropped to fit the fixed landscape dimensions. The only fix I've found is to upload the landscape cover image for my product image/cover in KDP. This is not ideal, by a long shot...the portrait orientation looks better for sales. I don't mind page 1 being portrait oriented and shrunken, but is there a way to have page 2 be a landscape oriented cover image?

Side note: I've tried simply removing the cover from the opf, uploading and previewing in KDP, with a portrait product/cover image separately uploaded. The portrait image is still inserted into the book file on pages 1 and 2, shrunken and expanded, respectively. It seems that Amazon just ignores the cover added to the opf on the PC, and replaces it with the product image when the image and the opf are uploaded in the cloud...It looks terrible. Perhaps this is just an Amazon 'bug'...but is there a workaround with the templates, so that one can have a fixed landscape ebook, with a vertical product image?

Thanks!

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Posted: Apr 3, 2013 3:40 PM   in response to: Elizabeth Kendall in response to: Elizabeth Kendall
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Hi. If the orientation of the cover (portrait) does not match orientation of the book (landscape), the cover will inevitably occupy only about half the screen of a Kindle Fire device, with wide empty margins. There is nothing wrong with a landscape product image on Amazon.com. There are tons of hardcover books with a landscape cover, how do you think the cover image should look on Amazon.com? If the real cover is landscape and the product image is cropped to portrait, this will be misleading for customers. My advice is to keep the landscape cover in a landscape ebook and not to worry.

If you still want a portrait cover in a landscape ebook, you have three options:

{option 1} simplify your cover image (portrait-oriented) so that it looks OK (and legible) when it shrinks to the height of 600 pixels within a landscape-oriented screen of a Kindle Fire device. The height of your portrait cover image should be at least 1125 pixels in order to achieve the best fit within the screen of the Kindle Fire HD 8.9".

{option 2} Rotate all your pages to portrait orientation in your graphics editor, so that your cover looks normal in "portrait", whereas all pages look rotated when viewed in "portrait". Build your ebook using the "Comics simplest" template (portrait). This way, you will have a portrait cover that fills the Fire screen completely and the book will open to the landscape-oriented title page, which will signal the customer to turn the device landscape. Your customers will read the book with the landscape orientation of the device, despite the fact that your ebook was built using a portrait template. If a reader decides to view the "Go to: Cover" menu, she will be a bit confused because the OPF cover looks rotated.

{option 3} If possible, split your landscape pages into the doulbe number of portrait pages and build your ebook using a portrait template, such as "Comics simplest".
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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Apr 13, 2013 11:46 PM   in response to: man2010 in response to: man2010
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Great Book, very helpful!

So what is your take on making it a comic type of book to have better images vs making it a children's book with images under 250k? Wouldn't it be better to have the images close to 250k rather than closer to 800k because for every MB your book is, doesn't kindle take $.15 per sale? Wouldn't we want to lower the size of our finalized product as much as possible if we want to take 70% royalties?

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Posted: Apr 14, 2013 6:36 AM   in response to: man2010 in response to: man2010
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Cindy Bowdoin: messages appear and disappear on this KDP Community forum multiple times (never mind that).

Regarding the 250KB versus 800KB limit. Yes, you can try the "children" book type instead of "comic" in the OPF file. If you like the quality of your pictures on a real Kindle Fire device, then by all means use the "children" book type. A word of caution though: compress your pictures in your graphics editor (choose lower quality of JPEG when saving) so that they are about 240KB each. Then build your ebook. This way your pictures will still be around 240KB inside the .mobi file. On the other hand, if your pictures are bigger than 256KB, then Amazon's software will compress them to about 120KB, thus giving you much lower image quality. Amazon's software works in mysterious ways. The same weird problem exists with the 800KB limit in the "comic" book type. If your picture is 810KB, then it will be compressed to about 250KB, whereas a picture at 790KB will stay at 790KB. You can verify all of this using software called KindleUnpack.
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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Apr 14, 2013 11:50 AM   in response to: man2010 in response to: man2010
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" image size "

Interesting points.

I assume something has changed. When I originally experimented with this a couple of years ago, large images (acutally most images) would be re-sized to fit the kindle format, but when the image was enlarged within a "reader app" the full resolution was available to the user even if it was necessary to scroll the image if that resolution exceeded the currently available screen resolution.

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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Apr 14, 2013 4:21 PM   in response to: bevehoward in response to: bevehoward
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Bev, in that post I was talking about fixed layout ebooks, where images are treated differently compared to regular (reflowable) Kindle books. With regard to the regular Kindle books, nothing has changed since KindleGen 1.1: the latest version of KindleGen (and KDP converter) processes images in exactly the same way. All images are downsized to under 127KB, and if there are 20 or more images, they are compressed more strongly, to under 60KB and smaller. In regular (reflowable) Kindle books, KindleGen will reduce pixel dimensions for extremely large images (those that exceed 1200 x 1200 pixels, approximately).
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Re: Formatting an ebook properly in Word or in WordPerfect, OpenOffice or HTML
Posted: Apr 15, 2013 7:23 PM   in response to: man2010 in response to: man2010
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Thank you man2010 for taking the time to answer my previous question.

I have one more question. I followed your directions in the book very carefully and everything seemed to work great. I am also pretty computer/tech savvy, and had no issues with the process. It worked on both the previewer on my pc, mac and it worked on the online previewer prior to uploading.

When I checked the next day, I tried to view the free sample. It just showed the loading icon and never loaded. I then bought the book and it did the same thing. This is on a computer using the cloud reader.

Have you ever seen anything like this or have any idea what it could be? Should I un-publish the book or contact kdp?

Thank you for any help.
Cindy
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