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uncle1282

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Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 13, 2017 3:05 PM
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My novels and short stories and one other book on editing consistently bring me 60-100 dollars a month these days. When I did Bookbub promos I got nearly a thousand a couple of times, but after they turned me down for my 5th promo, I seldom advertise.

If you made this level of income month after month, would you feel it is success? Or, would you be disappointed.

Me, I'd rather spend my time writing and marketing only occasionally. I note when a reader or two finds the first novel in my 20 novel series, I see sales for subsequent novels right along, which is nice. Now and then someone buys most of them at once. The point is I feel somewhat successful, though not at the level I see some brag about.
Donald Desaulni...

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 13, 2017 4:28 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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Your current numbers are about double what mine are most months. I'm quite pleased with my own results since I do no advertising or promotion which means that what I gross is what I earn (less a buck or so each month for the Amazon ads). I'd be thrilled to pump up my own numbers to match yours. Congratulations and best wishes for even higher numbers over the upcoming Christmas shopping season.

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Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 13, 2017 4:34 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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I think the question is whether it's success enough for you?

I've stopped listening to people who come onto the community making claims of the thousands of books they sell every week. With most of the claims it amounts to a great big heap of the brown stuff, which is often verifiable by their rankings.

Bizarrely, the one person who is willing to talk about such things on the odd occasion when he pops in for a visit is Scott Hildreth, and yet I've never once read a post of his that comes across as boastful. He does very well. Fact. But he's not up his own backside, nor is he rubbing it in your face.

I'm nowhere even close to his level, not even on the same continent, but I do far better than I ever expected to, so I keep my numbers to myself. I don't announce when I've had a good day, nor do I moan when I've had a bad one, and like most people I get my share of both.

What I always do, though, is congratulate anybody who makes a sale. Even one. This is a tough business, and so much of it is down to luck. For a newbie to achieve even one or two sales is an accomplishment, as it's so hard to get noticed.

So, the reality is that even at $60-$80 per month, many here would say you were doing phenomenally well.

For what it's worth, I measure your success by the fact that you've written 20 books already. Not whether they've sold a million copies.

I'm currently working on number 12, so obviously I need to stop slacking off!

Just my thoughts. J
C. Gold

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 13, 2017 10:43 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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I have just one novel and one short story for sale, so I'm not making a lot of money. But for me, the success is that people are reading my book after they borrow it in KU. That means they like it! To me, that's awesome success. I guess it depends on your expectations. My own goal is to be able to self-sustain - earn back the money spent on the cover, etc. In five years, hopefully I'll make enough to pay a bill or two, like your 60-100 a month.
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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 12:00 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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In financial terms, I'm doing far better than I ever imagined. I have three stand-alone novels, one book of short stories and a series of seven crime novels. but the odd thing is, I worry constantly that the next or current project won't match up, that what I'm writing now isn't as good as what I wrote then. So, although I have been successful by just about anyone's definition of the word, I still don't feel like I am...
writerbn

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 5:41 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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uncle1282 wrote:
If you made this level of income month after month, would you feel it is success? Or, would you be disappointed.

It depends on your goals. My self-published work pays a few bills, but it doesn't pay for our family's health insurance and medical expenses, which is the biggest bill we have. My goal is to make enough from writing fiction to write full time. Ironically, my "day job" involves at least 60% writing and editing, although not fiction.

I get incrementally closer to that goal each month, but I wouldn't call myself successful just yet.
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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 7:35 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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I started writing because I felt a need to tell the stories forming in my head. In the beginning I was thrilled to see the books being read and to sell enough to get a check each month. Now the deposit is sometimes enough to cover the car insurance, once it was large enough to cover the property tax bill, occasionally a nice lunch out will blow the wad. I still write because I enjoy it. Every individual book borrowed or bought is a triumph, a little trill of pleasure. Anything that makes you happy has to be considered a success. I don't facebook or tweet, don't use any but the AMS ads. The books succeed on their merit. I think personal success is an interior feeling, knowing my books - all 28 of them - are getting read, that is my success. My reviews average 4.5 stars despite a 2 or 3 on occasion, that too is success I think. B
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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 8:12 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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"Success" is all relative. If this was your only string of income for your dozen children and a spouse addicted to beluga cavier and French white truffles, then no, this would be a disasterous result. If you have your day job that can support your needs and writing is a hobby pursuit, then sure, it is better than most writers manage.

It all comes down to what your goals are and how YOU feel about it, not how anyone else feels about it.
Jonathan B

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 8:15 AM   in response to: the_peartree in response to: the_peartree
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the_peartree wrote:
In financial terms, I'm doing far better than I ever imagined. I have three stand-alone novels, one book of short stories and a series of seven crime novels. but the odd thing is, I worry constantly that the next or current project won't match up, that what I'm writing now isn't as good as what I wrote then. So, although I have been successful by just about anyone's definition of the word, I still don't feel like I am...

I get the same feeling each time I publish. I'm finishing up a new novel this weekend, and I'm having the same doubts.
acornwriter

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 10:38 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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Uncle, your biggest success is that you APPRECIATE your monthly success. Peace of mind and pride in accomplishment is enlightened.

The problem that I have, is when I compare my sales to those who are doing REALLY well.

Because our royalties are low, it takes a lot of books or pages read to reach sixty bucks. So, I'd say yes, you're a success.
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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 1:48 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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It's more than 96% of writers so it's a success.
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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 14, 2017 3:07 PM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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Jonathan B wrote:
"Success" is all relative. If this was your only string of income for your dozen children and a spouse addicted to beluga cavier and French white truffles, then no, this would be a disasterous result.
Dang...so that's what the issue is. I'll have to tell the wife to cut back on that caviar. As for the kids...well, I guess I'm stuck there!
janni2525

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 17, 2017 3:28 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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Hello.
I feel successful. I feel that when I began to write and self publish my work I felt really good about what I was doing. I never wanted to do this to become famous or rich, but the thought of it passed through my mind. What if it did happen. I just went along and just kept on writing.
This is success for me. I enjoy everything about writing and that's all. :-) Congratulations to you.
leaowens

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 18, 2017 2:16 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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It's more successful than most, but it all depends on how individuals measure success. Financial gain is certainly one measure. Getting fan mail is another - those letters are real treasures because each one means that your writing meant enough to that person to make them take the time to write and thank you for your book. Just completing a novel and editing all spelling errors out and fixing up syntax and grammar and making it 'look' like a professional novel that is inviting to read is another measure of success. Perhaps those sales represent an important step on the way to bigger financial success - keep writing and each book will add another $20 or $30 a month, then more and more as your audience grows and comes back for more.

Do you feel successful? If so, then that is what matters. Do not judge your success by all you consider more successful than you, judge it by looking at where you were a year ago or a decade ago.
uncle1282

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Re: Would this be success for you?
Posted: Oct 20, 2017 11:15 AM   in response to: leaowens in response to: leaowens
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Update: my royalties just rec'd for August are double what they've been running over the past year. I'm not complaining but have no real explanation why they went up. To answer those who ask if I feel successful at writing, let me say that feeling successful is a fleeting thing for me. I'm grateful and will continue writing novels (my first romance novel is now in deep revision, maybe out by Christmas?) I don't know if it will be the first in a new series or a stand alone.

Here's my tentative blurb for the new book, tentatively titled, "Quentin & Mickey" -- life is rather tentative, don't you think?

Set in a Portland Oregon shipyard right after Pearl Harbor, an upright young man, Quentin Haggerty, tired of his pre-war dalliances and determined to contribute to the war effort, begins to notice appealing things about his yard assistant, Mickey Andrews. When Mickey invites him to her family home in the swank Heights, he’s stunned by the change in her appearance from work duds. She trades a set of tires for him to investigate a stolen family heirloom. Q, as he’s often called, reluctantly accepts since he’s done some amateur sleuthing years before in the CCC camps. Thus begins a long tug of war for Q’s heart and mind, between the wholesome and beautiful Mickey and a mysterious platinum blonde torch singer Angelina, watched over by a dangerous local mob boss. Denial, blonde temptations, mob threats, Mick’s escape to Reno, and a saboteur loose in the shipyard — all stand in the way of cupid and commitment. Can love flourish with such obstacles in such a chaotic time?
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